Kanola Deck Kickoff Pre-Meeting #2 — Meeting Record (2026-10-22)
Meeting record — recorded via MeetNotes (local AI notetaker), Teams, 2026-10-22, duration 63 min, 674 utterances. Full audio replay available on the household LAN archive.
Summary
Stephen reviews structural drawings for a deck project, emphasizing the need to tie caissons with grade beams and install shear walls to meet current codes. He advises addressing drainage and trenching immediately to prevent soil ponding and foundation compromise. Michelle should coordinate drainage work and obtain multiple concrete bids before the pre-inspection. The plan avoids triggering septic or full remodel reviews by keeping the outdoor bathroom unframed. Stephen will attend the pre-inspection if physically able, otherwise Michelle will coordinate with inspector Michael. The strategy is to complete structural elements first, then add outdoor amenities later.
Topics: Structural engineering · Drainage solutions · Permitting strategy · Cost optimization · Inspection preparation
Decisions
- Prioritize drainage and trenching before structural concrete work.
- Use V-channels for drainage to prevent soil erosion near the house.
- Pressure treat first-floor joists and stucco big beams instead of full replacement.
- Keep outdoor bathroom unframed to avoid septic and full remodel triggers.
- Obtain multiple concrete bids to reduce costs.
- Bury future pool footings to save on concrete truck costs, as inspectors only check open trenches.
Action items
| Task | Owner | Due |
|---|---|---|
| Coordinate drainage and trenching work with Michelle | Junior | — |
| Obtain multiple concrete bids for the project | Michelle | — |
| Schedule pre-inspection with Michael | Michelle | — |
| Prepare structural drawings for subs | Stephen | — |
Talk time
| Speaker | Seconds | Utterances |
|---|---|---|
| Junior | 830 | 173 |
| Stephen | 2671 | 498 |
| unknown | 4 | 3 |
Full transcript
Health/medical passages redacted per household privacy policy.
Stephen [00:36] The stairway and these corners they went four feet deep for you
Stephen [00:41] They hit rock right
Stephen [00:43] Yeah cause they went like really deep
Stephen [00:45] That time because we didn’t do it without any other structural drawing
Stephen [00:49] They were just going hey let’s just
Junior [00:51] It’s better safer than sorry right just go
Stephen [00:53] Yeah so they went all out for you guys at that time
Stephen [00:57] It doesn’t cost that much more you know just another foot deep and
Stephen [01:01] a little bit extra concrete but
Stephen [01:03] you see
Stephen [01:04] Throughout this current calculation it’s only thirty six actually they had it at twenty four
Stephen [01:10] but with the new discussion Mr. Ni up did another foot
Stephen [01:18] and I guess that’s what also pushed it over you know for that
Stephen [01:23] yep
Stephen [01:24] So okay just to give a heads up you see the mouse this is the area that’s ponding right
Junior [01:30] yeah
Stephen [01:31] Okay and so what I would suggest is just create a nice channel here
Stephen [01:37] to direct most of this water from up here
Stephen [01:40] so it doesn’t go underneath this ramp and you know by this stairway
Stephen [01:45] like we don’t want any ponding here that’s just gonna compromise the soil for the house and
Stephen [01:52] but now this footing is gonna be all tied together kind of like your house
Stephen [01:57] you see these dotted lines
Stephen [02:00] those are actually footing for the house
Stephen [02:05] the dotted lines
Stephen [02:06] yeah you see this dotted line for the house to like follow
Junior [02:08] that’s a structural for the house
Stephen [02:11] yeah footing yeah and usually when you do house footing
Stephen [02:17] you know how they instead of like a little corner here a little corner here like these like a deck
Stephen [02:23] they usually do like it’s all tied together like a grid
Stephen [02:29] so basically they want your deck to be like a house grid
Stephen [02:33] so it’s stronger
Junior [02:34] so the house grid is all tied together so it doesn’t shift right
Stephen [02:38] yes and
Stephen [02:39] because your caisson is just by itself you know it’s just standing by itself
Stephen [02:44] so if the soil here gets soft the soil gets hot
Stephen [02:47] this caisson might shift and it would compromise the deck
Stephen [02:51] and that’s why to make it with the current code they’re tying all this kind of like this
Stephen [02:58] like long footings you know
Stephen [03:00] and these footings are only no more than 24 deep
Stephen [03:04] now the main corners gotta be 36 no problem
Stephen [03:09] but these don’t have to be that deep
Stephen [03:11] these are only like you know like 12 inch
Stephen [03:16] so that’s why if you look at this drawing this is the gray beam like from the side
Stephen [03:21] it’s just just a bunch of concrete that’s running across to like tie these together
Stephen [03:28] and tie your caissons together that’s all
Junior [03:30] is is Michelle going to be the one reading these plans and does she need to be reminded of any of this or is she gonna know
Stephen [03:37] oh yeah she knows and actually the concrete guy
Stephen [03:41] now with you know originally there was no drawing so they were just going by your existing footing and adding
Stephen [03:47] that’s why they added like the four feet deep footing for the stairs
Stephen [03:51] like especially these two corner are the strongest
Stephen [03:54] so they they have these footing and then they’re using your existing caissons right
Stephen [03:59] there was like eight of them
Stephen [04:01] and now with this drawing the concrete guy could just refer to this and go okay I know what to do
Stephen [04:07] you see all these like diagonal lines
Stephen [04:10] those aren’t being used for your house
Stephen [04:12] so it’s mainly these guys
Junior [04:14] the subs are gonna look at this and they’re gonna read it
Stephen [04:17] yeah they have to read this
Stephen [04:19] so Michelle’s reading it but the subs are reading it and so once they see oh you’re gonna do a gray beam
Stephen [04:26] so basically they’re trenching
Stephen [04:28] they’re gonna tie it all together tie it all together like that with all your caissons
Stephen [04:35] they’re following these diagrams
Stephen [04:37] there’s specifications of you know the rebar size
Stephen [04:39] type of concrete you know it’s 18 by 24 oh okay these are like deeper gray beams but it’s pretty strong
Stephen [04:49] cause this is only 36 so this gray beam is 24
Stephen [04:54] so these are like really strong gray beams these are actually like for big garage doors you know
Stephen [05:02] and then this drawing here is the shear wall detail
Stephen [05:06] so it’s gonna
Stephen [05:08] yeah so it’s four by four here
Stephen [05:10] and then over here you know these are the hardware
Stephen [05:14] and so it’s just gonna go from the ground all the way up to the bottom of the second deck
Stephen [05:20] here’s the second deck here’s the first deck
Stephen [05:22] so that’s gonna be a solid piece with a post inside
Stephen [05:27] so that’s where this is here’s the post and then here’s the footing and it’s gonna go from the bottom to the
Stephen [05:34] your second floor bottom of your second floor deck
Stephen [05:37] so on top of the second floor
Stephen [05:39] the shear wall is not gonna pop up
Stephen [05:43] so it’s only blocking your ground floor view like four feet wide
Stephen [05:48] cause it’s two feet this way two feet this way you know what I mean
Junior [05:58] um I don’t completely understand what you just said but I hope that Michelle does so
Stephen [06:04] oh yeah she does okay just look at this drawing here
Stephen [06:08] okay the dark one
Stephen [06:11] yeah the dark one uh huh
Stephen [06:12] okay follow my mouse here’s the ground floor deck
Stephen [06:16] here’s the second floor deck right
Stephen [06:19] and here’s the caisson and here’s the post okay
Stephen [06:23] they’re basically the way you and I did the layout
Stephen [06:27] like here’s the caisson like number five
Stephen [06:30] they’re basically doing this footing here and you see this little box here
Stephen [06:36] that’s your shear wall
Stephen [06:37] so he limited it to only four feet four feet wide
Stephen [06:42] so it’s from where you have a caisson post two feet over and two feet over
Stephen [06:47] and so it’s gonna look like this
Stephen [06:50] so from the first floor deck second floor deck it’s gonna go from where the dirt is
Stephen [06:56] all the way up two feet over and two feet over
Junior [07:00] so what is the t at the bottom like
Junior [07:03] like right above shear wall detail it looks like a bunch of wood stacked planks what is that
Junior [07:10] uh which one
Junior [07:10] if you go down a little bit more down more move your mouse down a little bit
Junior [07:15] uh your mouse disappeared
Junior [07:17] right above shear wall detail
Junior [07:19] it looks like there’s a bunch of boards that are stacked what is that
Junior [07:24] yeah your mouse is on that
Stephen [07:26] yeah no that’s
Stephen [07:28] oh this is a section from the top view this is the side view
Stephen [07:33] oh the top view okay
Stephen [07:35] yeah yeah
Junior [07:35] I was like what is that
Junior [07:37] okay that’s how it looks like from the top got it
Stephen [07:39] okay and so this view is this
Junior [07:45] yeah that’s the top view okay
Stephen [07:47] and is the uh is that concrete
Stephen [07:50] you know that’s just for the engineer to read
Junior [07:54] is the length of that concrete where the specs the black specs
Junior [07:59] you mean this
Stephen [08:00] yeah yeah that that’s the concrete
Junior [08:03] so they need to open that up and make that wide concrete there
Stephen [08:07] yeah and that concrete’s gonna go 24 deep 18 wide
Junior [08:14] okay so it’s gonna be a huge block
Stephen [08:16] yeah
Stephen [08:17] and so that’s gonna be your main structural frame that’s holding up your house from earthquake
unknown [08:23] okay
Stephen [08:24] kind of like uh
Stephen [08:26] it’s literally like a footing you know when you when your leg goes down your foot kind of spread wide
Stephen [08:31] that’s why it’s called a footing
Stephen [08:33] it’s your foot that’s holding up your legs
Junior [08:36] it’s a it’s a lateral foot
Stephen [08:38] yeah and and you need lateral shear because just imagine if you put a bunch of sticks and a platform
Stephen [08:45] if if a earthquake
Stephen [08:47] earthquake doesn’t move up and down it moves sideways too
Stephen [08:51] and so if you have a bunch of stick without any solid wall it gets really weak
Stephen [08:56] so that’s the introduction of shear walls it it makes solid walls that so when you move sideways
Stephen [09:03] your top platform doesn’t shear off
Stephen [09:06] it doesn’t slide off that’s all
Junior [09:08] perfect
Junior [09:12] oh honey you’re still muted by the way did you have any questions or comments
Junior [09:19] no I’m listening
Junior [09:20] she is the note taker
Junior [09:24] I’ve got a note taker too so we’ve got like three note takers here
Junior [09:32] well I gotta take it in like trying to remember what we talk about as Steven is explaining
Junior [09:39] no I mean
Stephen [09:41] ideally I’m gonna be there in person to walk you guys cuz you know you guys are more visual too so
Stephen [09:49] whatever we’re gonna explain later in person and so I would this is my proposal I think by the time they do the first pre-inspection
Stephen [10:00] I would like to be there or to walk through with Michael you know the guy that stopped the job
Stephen [10:06] and at the same time walk with you guys and to explain what we just talked about in person so you kinda get the feel of it
Junior [10:15] are you are you okay I mean
Stephen [10:18] I can’t I just can’t climb too many stairs or you know I won’t be able to go down your hill and come back up
Junior [10:24] oh this is the perfect house for you then you can’t climb stairs
Stephen [10:27] [health detail redacted per household privacy policy]
Stephen [10:36] so far my rehab is just I’m walking on a flat treadmill you know I’m not even running yet so
Stephen [10:47] I still gotta it still take me some time to get there
Junior [10:52] Michelle mentioned that we should wait till after the raining season before we start
Stephen [10:59] that might be too long but actually all this
Stephen [11:03] cuz right now you know we can only forecast two weeks out
Stephen [11:07] and it just seems like there’s one rainy day a week so far right next week I think there’s another one
Stephen [11:14] but after today the rain’s over
Stephen [11:16] yeah definitely if you’re gonna wait till end of rainy season that’ll be next year
Junior [11:22] yeah that’s what I was thinking too usually it could go up to like February
Stephen [11:27] yeah but at least some of the stuff that could get done pre-inspection you know prep really like the rest of the you know stuff that
Stephen [11:39] the addendum stuff and the stuff that they haven’t done
Stephen [11:42] you guys could work out all those numbers ahead of time
Stephen [11:45] so things will be a lot more smoother instead of any extra
Stephen [11:50] and that might actually get her to get extra bid on the subs
Stephen [11:57] instead of just she just gets one bid and that was it you know
Junior [12:04] so we should give her time to prepare
Stephen [12:06] yeah because I think if you give her time to you know get proper bidding you know there’s
Stephen [12:12] I already know there’s at least three concrete guys you know and before even the guy that she used before
Stephen [12:18] those guys are very affordable because they you know they dig they dig four feet deep no problem without any drawings
Stephen [12:26] but if she could get you know three concrete guys and have you guys looked at it
Stephen [12:30] you guys could choose hey this one is you know the price difference is at least actually five grand
Stephen [12:37] you’re still saving five grand right
Stephen [12:40] so the more the more sub that she can get for you guys the better
Stephen [12:45] so that would take some time and if it does stretch out
Stephen [12:48] past the rainy season that’s ideal
Stephen [12:50] cause they’re gonna definitely be digging
Stephen [12:53] but also I would say before that or even during this rainy season it’s a good test to work out the drainage trench right here
Junior [13:03] are you looking at the drawing in the mouse
Junior [13:06] I see your drawing and I’m looking at the mouse yeah
Junior [13:09] so the one with the side of the red
Stephen [13:10] yeah at least this area is definitely you guys have to address it before this thing gets ponded
Stephen [13:15] because once they start digging these
Stephen [13:17] that’s extra pond that they’re gonna have to take care of
Junior [13:21] so would you say if we had to phase this out would phase one be drainage or phase zero
Stephen [13:28] I would say drainage because also once they start trenching you’re gonna have dirt you could fill this ladder instead of
Stephen [13:40] right now this is a depot right from what I remember
Stephen [13:45] you could compact this area the the ponding area
Junior [13:50] yeah it still has concrete
Stephen [13:52] yeah so if it does have concrete if we already worked out the drainage issue from water from up here
Stephen [14:01] before it enters this side you want it to just you know stay on the outside of the house
Stephen [14:08] because the main issue is you need all this water to go this way instead of going following your building into
Junior [14:15] step one we’re gonna do drainage right
Stephen [14:19] yeah and I think this rainy season
Stephen [14:23] yeah rainy season would be very helpful to also attack this problem
Stephen [14:27] so you’ll know exactly where it’s for the drainage
Stephen [14:30] and a lot of that drainage could you could take care of with like landscapers and stuff like that you know
Stephen [14:36] or even just a little bobcat
Stephen [14:39] and remember this area the gazebo is gone
Stephen [14:42] so a lot of this could be trench
Stephen [14:45] I don’t
Stephen [14:45] you did see the
Stephen [14:47] quick rendering I did for you about this outdoor kitchen thing
Stephen [14:51] I made it where the there’s a stairway here
Stephen [14:55] in between the stairway and this or at least where the stairway is that could be your drainage trench because that’s your concrete
Junior [15:01] yeah I remember seeing that
Stephen [15:02] yeah and that’s that’s the area where the concrete could take the water away from this area and just follow the stairs
Junior [15:10] ok so phase two would be trenching
Stephen [15:15] yeah ideally trench it properly so
Stephen [15:18] all the and if you get a civil engineer to do a drawing they’re gonna tell you to always trench it or or kind of grade your hill for all the water go away from your house then towards your house
Stephen [15:34] so they’re gonna do the same drawing either way so just grade this area so all the water goes that way
Junior [15:42] ok so phase one and phase so phase one is drainage and trenching really is the same thing
Junior [15:48] because that’s gonna help them do the footing and to do the graping
Stephen [15:53] cause once they do the graping they’re gonna dig that hole you know twenty four deep right to do the graping
Stephen [16:00] cause once they do that twenty four deep you don’t want any like raining season to fill it up all the time
Junior [16:05] can can they trench when it’s raining or do they have to trench after the rain
Stephen [16:09] they could trench when it’s raining cause it’s softer and it’s easier
Stephen [16:13] but at the same time they’re gonna have to start digging mud out and
Stephen [16:17] you know you don’t want to over trench it
Stephen [16:19] well sometimes over trench it is ok but you want to wait till it’s dry and compact before you pour the concrete
Junior [16:27] ok
Junior [16:27] or else the concrete is
Stephen [16:29] yeah
Junior [16:29] dry before concrete but wet trenching is ok got it
Stephen [16:33] yeah cause you know the deeper they trench the better cause you’re gonna get more deeper concrete that’s all
Stephen [16:40] ok and then so
Stephen [16:42] from the drawing call out it’s a twenty four inch deep
Stephen [16:46] so you’re getting a really good size grade beam
Junior [16:51] you’re getting the grade beam of like a typical house like a two story house
Junior [16:56] do we need the permits for drainage and trenching or that’s all just yard work
Stephen [17:01] no no no that usually go through the
Stephen [17:06] cause we kinda did with the plan check already
Stephen [17:11] cause during plan checking they did ask about some drainage issues and I just guided them
Stephen [17:15] oh that’ll all be taken care of on the outside
Stephen [17:19] ok and
Stephen [17:20] that’s why we passed it without having to
Stephen [17:23] or else they’re gonna request like a civil engineer to do a drainage drawing and stuff like that
Junior [17:30] so then after trenching when it’s dry they’ll do the concrete footings
Stephen [17:35] yeah and they just you know put the rebar in and then pour the concrete
Stephen [17:39] and once it’s dry they just do everything on top
Junior [17:44] and that’ll
Junior [17:45] so then after the concrete is done they’ll do the shear walls
Stephen [17:49] yeah the shear wall goes on top of it
Stephen [17:52] so once they pour that concrete there’ll be like rebar sticking out and bolts
Stephen [17:57] and the shear wall just get bolted on top of that and then comes straight up
Junior [18:02] and then that should be it for structural right like that
Stephen [18:05] yeah that’s that’s part of your structural
Stephen [18:08] and that’ll be part of the structural inspection
Stephen [18:10] besides there’s only four here
Stephen [18:12] I remember he talked about five but
Stephen [18:14] he made four of them work so that’s even better
Junior [18:18] ok what do we do about the pressure treated can we pressure treat the wood that’s already there or do we need to replace everything
Stephen [18:25] no well that’s the thing that’s that’s something that I want to talk to you about
Stephen [18:30] a typical deck work is the engineer never went out there
Stephen [18:35] so they’re just thinking hey you’re doing a deck right
Stephen [18:39] but on the ground floor on the first floor let’s just say first floor second floor right
Stephen [18:45] first floor is open to the ground it looks like a typical deck so I understand that area if they want a pressure treat
Stephen [18:53] it’s understandable because the wood is exposed to the elements right it’s exposed to the dirt exposed to moisture
Stephen [19:01] but on the second floor deck you guys already did the desert creek it’s completely sealed on top
Stephen [19:08] the only safe way to do it is also close up on the bottom kind of like a house
Stephen [19:13] cause you know when you when you seal it
Stephen [19:15] you protect it
Stephen [19:16] yeah then it’s completely protected then typically that way you don’t need pressure treated cause it’s actually a structural basically is like a house roof deck you know
Stephen [19:29] because it’s not
Junior [19:30] is the pressure treated wood in the plan that is a requirement and an inspection item
Stephen [19:36] no it’s in the plan from what um michelle have mentioned
Stephen [19:42] it’s uh
Stephen [19:46] oh
Stephen [19:46] she did mention that they call out for pressure treated on the ground on the first floor on this floor okay
Junior [19:58] and how much of our current wood do we have to exchange out or can we treat it
Stephen [20:04] if it’s first floor I think it was like 900 square feet
Stephen [20:08] but we’re not covering whole 900 square feet because these are
Stephen [20:12] they got their 16 on center so every sixteen inches there’s one stick
Stephen [20:18] so I can’t calculate that right now but that’s not a lot of sticks okay
Junior [20:25] this floor I understand
Junior [20:25] so we’re just are we just talking about the joists
Stephen [20:28] yes
Junior [20:30] what about the big beams the big beams should all be pressure treated already right
Stephen [20:35] uh the big beams no the big beam is structural so what you want to do is
Stephen [20:41] I think there are chemical to treat it but the big beams
Stephen [20:44] once you close it or seal it or you know you stucco it or waterproof it
Stephen [20:49] then you don’t have to most of the
Stephen [20:52] yeah most people don’t make big beams as pressure treated
Stephen [20:55] pressure treated are usually two by four to two by whatever four
Junior [20:59] so we basically just stucco the big beams and then use the pressure treated joints
Stephen [21:04] yes yes yes you just these little joists here on the bottom of this deck
Stephen [21:10] because they’re gonna be exposed to the element
Stephen [21:12] these we already have waterproofing on top
Stephen [21:15] and on the bottom if we close it off
Stephen [21:18] the moisture never get to it so it doesn’t rot that’s all
Stephen [21:22] got it
Stephen [21:23] cause you don’t want the dry rot rotting that has happened when we first showed up at the house
Stephen [21:27] all these were dry rotted
Stephen [21:29] and unfortunately remember some of these joists they were actually redwood
Stephen [21:36] and redwood it’s kinda like pressure treated
Stephen [21:41] but like I said even pressure treated in the long term it’ll still rot because it’s wood
Stephen [21:48] so ideally is to seal off so when you seal off it’s just like a regular house like I said
Stephen [21:56] so this is one thing if we seal this off
Stephen [21:59] it’s a lot cheaper than replacing all this and replacing the whole new deck you know what I mean
Junior [22:04] yeah so we’re gonna pressure treat the about nine hundred square feet of joists on the first floor
Junior [22:11] and then we’re gonna stucco the big beams
Stephen [22:13] yeah and this is the point where
Stephen [22:18] we could have option a if you want to do it this way option b is to replace the whole thing option c you know
Stephen [22:25] and then at the same time during the pre-inspection we also mention it to Michael and said hey
Stephen [22:33] they did call out for some pressure treated
Stephen [22:35] if we’re gonna stucco this and that’s why you know at that time they were asking what kind of stucco and what and Michelle did mention
Stephen [22:43] we were holding back on some stucco because of cost
Stephen [22:47] and so that you guys could calculate out hey what’s the pros and cons of it or
Stephen [22:52] if you guys just want this whole thing to be exposed wood then you know use pressure treated
Stephen [22:59] but if you do that the whole desert creep’s gotta come up and go back again and that might not be worth it
Junior [23:06] yeah so it doesn’t sound like that’s a good option
Stephen [23:09] yeah and there is
Stephen [23:12] hey pressure treating is actually they put this chemical and they bake it in the steamer
Stephen [23:19] so that’s why a lot of people can’t pressure treat afterwards they could only seal the wood you know
Stephen [23:28] and so sealing the wood is usually the best solution but down here since this is all open deck to the element
Stephen [23:35] this area might be need to be pressure treated this could just be sealed off and then you have a solid deck that’s all
Junior [23:45] ok so after we stucco the big beams and have pressure treated joists then what
Stephen [23:50] yeah and that’s it and that stucco is gonna go over the shear wall too and then the rest just follow the drawing like the way we intended and then we’re done
Junior [24:01] so this is all structural this is drainage trenching concrete footings joists and big beams this is all structural
Stephen [24:10] yeah remember the past two years the fight is always structural
Stephen [24:13] yeah so this is the whole fight right here
Stephen [24:15] yeah the architecture hasn’t changed at all it’s still the same
Stephen [24:19] so the fight back and forth with Ne and Fazeekas was always about the structural change you know or the structural extra requirement that they’re asking for
Stephen [24:32] and Mr. Ne you know follow up blindly is hey we’re just replacing damaged wood and you know refurbishing
Stephen [24:41] we’re not remodeling anything because there was no record remember the deck was different
Stephen [24:47] but luckily we build it to this point where I just drew exactly what was there
Stephen [24:52] and so remember it kinda like goes in and out and the stair was kinda weird
Junior [24:57] yeah
Stephen [24:58] yeah luckily we just drew it like this so they’re assuming this is current
Stephen [25:02] and so architecture hasn’t changed
Stephen [25:05] it was just structural requirement that they kept pushing to the current code that’s tough
Stephen [25:12] so these are the only three things that’s gonna be addendum to your original cost
Stephen [25:21] and
Stephen [25:22] which is the shear wall the gray beam and the pressure treated wood on this deck and the rest we seal like it was originally intended
Junior [25:37] cool and then the rest of it we just follow the plan
Stephen [25:41] yeah it’s yeah exactly and so you know the handrail and everything is still the same nothing has changed and so we just kinda follow all that
Stephen [25:55] yeah I don’t know if you remember the architectural plan it’s still the same the stairs hasn’t changed and all the details of the railing is still the same
Stephen [26:06] you know they had Dave and I add this little let me zoom in for you
Stephen [26:14] you know the only change that Dave and I made was this
Stephen [26:19] we need to make sure it’s four inch diameter clear
Junior [26:24] four inch diameter clear on what
Stephen [26:27] basically they don’t want anything
Stephen [26:30] bigger than four inch to be open
Stephen [26:32] so that’s why we have to draw this circle
Stephen [26:36] so you know where the handrail is you know that platform
Stephen [26:39] it’s gotta come down here so
Stephen [26:42] even this little triangle it can’t be bigger than four inch diameter
Stephen [26:46] oh they don’t want anything to fall off from the side
Stephen [26:50] yeah that’s the only thing they ask us to do because everything else was the same
Junior [26:53] was it like the they don’t want a baby to fall through there
Stephen [26:56] exactly
Stephen [26:57] yeah that’s that’s pretty much the building code
Stephen [27:00] okay got it
Stephen [27:02] and they were hey you know your stairs look great but you know is this four inch so we just drew that in for them
Stephen [27:09] and so that’s why
Stephen [27:09] oh honey you have any questions
unknown [27:11] yeah
Junior [27:14] honey you’re on mute
Junior [27:15] I know I don’t have any questions right now
Stephen [27:24] yeah okay let me get to this drawing
Stephen [27:27] yeah I know you guys reinforced this retaining wall right
Junior [27:33] yeah we got that big one in there
Stephen [27:34] yeah so what I’m saying is from here you see how you see the angle of the slope it’s pushing things this way
Stephen [27:47] right now we gotta trench something that goes away from the footing in the house and ponding here
Stephen [27:55] so let’s address this drainage first with a proper drainage here on the side
Stephen [28:02] whether you’re gonna build a outdoor kitchen with a stairway or not
Stephen [28:06] that the stairway could be a like a leading indicator to do this trench here
Junior [28:12] so the drainage should we follow your the kitchen plan for the drainage
Stephen [28:18] yeah that would be helpful because once you get that done the stairway will flow easily right there
Junior [28:26] okay so we just need to have Michelle quote out the drainage system and get that done first
Stephen [28:32] yeah and because remember we’re not doing the kitchen or anything
Stephen [28:36] until all this is done unless you want to pull the whole permit for the kitchen
Junior [28:40] no if you ask me I don’t want to pull any more permits
Stephen [28:44] I know but just follow that and it’ll take care of your drainage issue and so when they do the footing they wouldn’t have any moisture issues in the future
Junior [28:56] does that so the where does that drain end does that drain end like past the big wall
Stephen [29:03] ideally is you see there’s number eight
Stephen [29:06] at least the drain’s gotta wash out to here because once it finish out here somewhere
Stephen [29:13] it’ll just follow the slope it’ll just follow the hill and you know does its own thing
Stephen [29:18] okay so it doesn’t need to go too far out
Stephen [29:21] the natural slope will take all the moisture down
Stephen [29:25] you don’t want anything to pond by the house footing that’s all
Stephen [29:30] or else it just makes this area weaker for your house
Stephen [29:33] and at the end you’re just gonna
Stephen [29:35] use this deck to hold up the house
Stephen [29:37] but you know let’s try to keep all the moisture away from this area
Stephen [29:41] so this stays dry and pretty strong
Stephen [29:44] because this is a lot of pressure from here but you know it
Stephen [29:49] you do have footing around here and remember there’s a big negative space down here
Stephen [29:55] there’s a big big wall here
Stephen [29:58] so all these are your like retaining wall for the house
Stephen [30:03] but you don’t want any moisture to build up around the house you want to just let it flow away
Stephen [30:09] let it go past this wall so
Stephen [30:11] I remember when they did this wall there’s little drain holes
Stephen [30:16] but even at the side just have the moisture follow these down follow this hill down that’s it
Stephen [30:23] this side doesn’t have a lot of ponding issues right
Junior [30:28] on the left side there’s no ponding issues but we do have some separation of concrete at the edge of
Junior [30:33] the garage on the bottom left corner
Stephen [30:36] here right I remember
Stephen [30:38] ok yeah because this whole thing is all tied together
Stephen [30:43] so it’s a lot of weight going this direction you know what I mean
Stephen [30:48] because this is always kind of soft
Stephen [30:50] but now if we take care of this area
Stephen [30:53] so this thing doesn’t like blow away that way
Stephen [30:56] because I think things were separating around here
Junior [31:02] ok so I think Michelle when Michelle came a couple days ago
Junior [31:06] she was talking about doing some other stuff
Junior [31:10] how do you feel about doing things that aren’t related to the permit right now
Stephen [31:16] I think it’s okay as long as we’re doing
Stephen [31:19] because a lot of this will be just landscaping
Stephen [31:23] you know landscape and you know drainage control
Stephen [31:26] that homeowner could do easily without any permit
Stephen [31:30] what we want to do is when the pre-inspection come in
Stephen [31:35] the inspector is only going to look at all the deck issues
Stephen [31:39] we’re not raising all those other issues
Stephen [31:41] so for example if this could be taken care of at the same time with this
Stephen [31:45] that’ll be great because we’re just doing drainage control on these both sides that’s all
Junior [31:54] so what do you think the drainage control needs to look like on the left side
Junior [31:59] like a
Stephen [31:59] on the left side
Stephen [32:01] well mainly let’s work from your bridge
Stephen [32:03] when your bridge come in all the sheet flow goes here
Stephen [32:06] goes through this trench right in front of your house right in front of the garage
Stephen [32:11] and that trench goes there
Stephen [32:13] but it’s kind of get lost in translation because this is built up right
Stephen [32:20] and so you don’t know how much moisture or
Stephen [32:23] we don’t know where it goes
Stephen [32:25] yeah you don’t know where the dirt underneath this is doing
Stephen [32:29] we know there’s a footing here because here’s your house footing
Stephen [32:33] we know there’s a footing here right here’s your garage
unknown [32:39] right
Junior [32:39] yeah
Stephen [32:42] okay so this is a footing that goes all the way down to the back storage room right I think you can see here or something
Stephen [32:50] so that’s all pretty strong
Stephen [32:52] right now it’s this little footbridge the side yard footbridge
Stephen [32:57] that thing where the garage door comes out
Stephen [33:00] that little footbridge underneath and with this drainage
Stephen [33:04] you know how you have a trench drain before you drive into the garage
Stephen [33:08] it’s capturing all the water shooting it to this side
Stephen [33:12] it needs to shoot way beyond this thing because if it’s shooting into somewhere over here
Stephen [33:17] it’s washing out all this dirt underneath and that’s why there is this separation is this little piece of concrete which is your walk to your side
Stephen [33:27] it’s getting pretty weak and you know if there’s no dirt underneath it’s like a pothole eventually it’ll collapse
Junior [33:34] there’s the septic tank right there
Stephen [33:37] yeah the septic tank is on this side right about here
Stephen [33:40] yeah and so is it right up to it
Junior [33:43] do we need to start with do we need to dig out that whole area and and trench around it or
Stephen [33:49] actually what I did with Margaret’s house is same thing she has this corner also
Stephen [33:56] so what we do is we did a little v trench
Stephen [33:59] it’s kind of like a v
Stephen [34:01] so if water comes out it just trench
Stephen [34:04] kind of like a little
Stephen [34:07] little how do you call this
Stephen [34:09] the channel
Stephen [34:11] yeah a little v channel and it just it goes here and it takes it to here versus it dropping off here because once it drops off here
Stephen [34:21] water is going to come in here and wash out this concrete
Junior [34:24] so really we could just do a very simple open and exposed v channel that just takes it down
Stephen [34:30] yes because that’s what we did at Margaret’s house
Junior [34:32] ok so we’ll do that at the same time with the drainage on the right side
Stephen [34:36] so if you have a v here and a v here right by the proposed design stairway that’s all you really need
Stephen [34:43] it’s kind of like in Taiwan you know they have a little they call it 水口啊
Stephen [34:49] yeah it’s just little little little trench drain that just going to take water away
Stephen [34:54] so you don’t want that water to go inside to the dirt
Stephen [34:58] because once it softened the dirt it takes forever to dry and it
Stephen [35:02] you know that’s how you know potholes are formed
Stephen [35:07] and right now your concrete here
Stephen [35:10] because things are probably being washed away a lot
Stephen [35:13] so your concrete is starting to give and starting to separate because it’s like a pothole underneath
Stephen [35:19] because this is solid but here’s a little retaining wall
Stephen [35:24] I remember it’s settling to separate
Stephen [35:27] so there’s definitely some moisture issue here that’s coming from this trench and
Stephen [35:34] where all this water coming in is hitting this corner is just trying to find a way to go down
Stephen [35:41] so you could just carry it straight down or carry it away from this outside wall before the septic tank
Stephen [35:48] that’ll be ideal so it just carries all the moisture away from this two
Stephen [35:54] away from your building side so none of it comes back into the house
Stephen [35:59] so
Junior [35:59] got it
Junior [36:05] ok thanks
Junior [36:06] we’ll make sure the note-taker is listening
Stephen [36:11] yeah note-taker that’s kind of cool
Stephen [36:15] are you using a lot of AI for this or you just programmed it yourself
Junior [36:21] yeah yeah so I the AI actually programmed it for me this is the first time we’ve actually used this
Junior [36:28] that’s kind of cool
Junior [36:29] I told the I’ll send you a copy of what it produces
Junior [36:34] so it’s
Junior [36:36] I think it just came out so yeah I’ll send you a copy of that
Stephen [36:39] what kind of AI are you using
Junior [36:42] so I bought a little machine that does things for me
Stephen [36:46] oh ok so it’s not like a AI program from the computer or something
Junior [36:51] well what I did was I copied otter and otter I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of otter but otter is very popular
Stephen [36:58] ok I only heard of um clod and gemini
Junior [37:04] oh yeah those are um
Junior [37:07] so clod and gemini are just chat bots
Stephen [37:10] oh they’re not like AI
Junior [37:12] yeah so well it’s chat bot connected to an AI
Junior [37:15] otter AI is actually the one that joins meetings
Junior [37:21] and when it joins meetings in fact you know what the summary is actually done I’m emailing it to you guys now
Junior [37:28] wow
Junior [37:28] dude you it’s a and this is the summary from our first meeting
Junior [37:33] so you guys can open it up and take a look
Junior [37:36] ok
Junior [37:37] um the email should be coming over right now and you should be able to see what it says so what basically what what I did was I told it to go to otter AI and take a note of all the basic features of the popular program called otter AI and then I told it to replicate it you know create
Junior [38:03] create something very similar to that so that we could I could have my own version of it and that’s what it produced so the email should be in your mailboxes now you guys can click on it it’s eleven pages long and it basically took notes of our forty four minute conversation or whatever it was and it highlighted you know some stuff and it has a full transcript and it also has
Stephen [38:32] you’re too professional man
Junior [38:37] well I’m this is the first trial run for it but this is in this way we’ll never in a perfect world you don’t have to repeat yourself right you only have to say it one time and then we can always go back and reference it and then it’s harder to be you know then we avoid the oh ok he said this she said that I said this
Stephen [39:04] dude that’s cool it’s so crazy there’s just gonna be so much data in the future
Junior [39:10] right and then so and something like this is it’s gonna reduce the oh uh michelle said this stephen said that right it’ll it’ll just kind of take all that away if we can get michelle to get in here too and
Junior [39:25] dude this’ll this’ll be perfect in a lawsuit
Junior [39:28] well yeah everything is just recorded right
Junior [39:32] but even more so for project management there’s no there’s no issues with right there’s there’s no ok look the screws should be this size or those screws that right everything’s clear
Junior [39:45] you wrote this program yourself that’s cool
Junior [39:47] no I didn’t I didn’t write it myself I copied the idea and I told AI to write its own version of it
Stephen [39:54] dude everybody’s gonna be a developer that’s so crazy well at least I’m almost dead
Stephen [40:04] no don’t say that
Junior [40:06] future sounds scary I’m so old school now
Junior [40:10] no the future is more clear because if we get this right you don’t have to spend half your life repeating things you’ve already said
Stephen [40:20] that is true you know I hate paperwork and look at look what you just generate my gosh
Junior [40:25] and yeah so that was just from the note takers sitting in the meeting and just listening to what we said and they just regurgitate now
Junior [40:32] it may not be a hundred percent
Stephen [40:36] yeah but that’s so cool look it’s it’s literally writing down what I said hello hello what does it work hello
Stephen [40:45] sound like a goof
Junior [40:48] yeah and so you’re gonna gain back half of your life because you only have to say it once
Stephen [40:55] ah that’s so cool alright oh
Stephen [41:00] hey by the way
Stephen [41:02] I’m looking for it I don’t know where I put it but I also bought this AI render program and back then I did some test render of the outdoor kitchen space with the AI I don’t know if I ever showed you
Junior [41:21] I know we have some very preliminary kind of overview like top down view
Stephen [41:27] oh no that’s yeah that’s just basic design in Sketchup
Junior [41:31] I literally use AI to render that on top of that
Junior [41:36] Ok wait wait before we get over there I know Phoenix wants some clarity on the scope
Junior [41:43] and so the main idea is before Michelle calls for an inspection and before she starts
Junior [41:51] we need to know what else we’re doing or we’re not doing
Junior [41:56] so that we don’t get all confused
Junior [41:59] I think Michelle wanted to bury a bunch of other footings right before the inspector came back so and I think those footings were about the pool area
Junior [42:11] so the future pool and kitchen area how many footings do we need there and do you think it’s a good idea to actually bury those footings and risk you know him identifying it
Stephen [42:27] uh
Stephen [42:29] it would be
Stephen [42:30] unless she buries it as deep as this area where you know you said there’s some concrete here that they pour to unless it kind of looks like that
Stephen [42:42] cause the future pool is like somewhere over here right so there if she’s gonna bury that
Stephen [42:49] I mean she can make a large plain and then just bury it you know that’s fine too but
Junior [42:57] But I mean would it really be worth doing beforehand I mean it
Junior [43:03] We’re just talking about a few footings I mean do we really have to squeeze that in here or can we just do it later like
Stephen [43:09] No because when they inspect they will only inspect what’s open and what’s like you know what they see on the drawing they’ll look at these they’ll inspect what’s open if she does it and bury it that’s fine too cause it’s just you know fresh dirt they’re not gonna they’re not gonna go hey what’s down here you know
Stephen [43:30] or they’re not gonna take a shovel and dig right
Stephen [43:32] no no they won’t do that they’ll only see what’s open you know like there’ll be a little open trench here and some rebar they’ll inspect it and then you know they could pour they will only look at what’s on the drawing and what Michelle open up for them to see if there’s some new footing here they’re not gonna go hey let’s dig in here
Stephen [43:57] So yeah it’s okay to bury because later on when this is all in it’s harder to take it all out and then we dig it and pour concrete because it is more affordable and cheaper to pour concrete all at once than bury it and just expose this for them to see cause they’re just inspecting the gray beam and these footing
Stephen [44:20] do you know what I mean
Junior [44:20] I see what she means cause if we have to call a concrete truck you only wanna do that once and you save like a thousand dollars right
Junior [44:27] but at the end of the day it’s only a thousand dollars
Stephen [44:31] yeah well it’s not really a thousand dollars like I said they will only inspect what Michelle open up for them to inspect
Junior [44:38] I see everything else is buried they’re not gonna dig it I got you
Junior [44:42] yeah no inspector will ever dig for stuff
Junior [44:45] So honey do you have any more questions on what we need before we ask Michelle to start working
Junior [44:54] So what is it that we need to do before the inspector comes in for the
Junior [44:59] pre-inspection
Stephen [45:01] I think right now now knowing what you guys just said it’s probably better for Michelle to come out to work out some of the drainage thing
Stephen [45:13] let’s get that at least pretty solid or at least trench it enough that once they once the concrete truck come and pour this they could pour the v-drain you know like a little trench here and here for you
Stephen [45:30] at least control it with dirt that the drainage is gonna get control before they start digging here and then there’s still some you know rain season and all that stuff
Stephen [45:43] so maybe if they’re definitely gonna like run into next year
Stephen [45:47] these next two months start having her trench and take care of all your drainage issues
Stephen [45:53] prep everything do all the proper bidding and get all the numbers with you guys sorted out
Stephen [45:59] and then start work properly you know that I think could be
Junior [46:04] so what is it that Michael will look at when he comes for the pre-inspection
Stephen [46:11] Well Michael is gonna come and just make sure we didn’t do any more work than when he stopped the work that’s basically pre-inspection
Stephen [46:22] you just wanna be you know make sure there’s no penalty or Michelle didn’t break any protocol that but she’s supposed to stop work
Stephen [46:31] but in terms of trenching and that’s all landscaping he’s not gonna say anything
Junior [46:37] yeah cause if landscaping doesn’t need a permit
Junior [46:43] okay and then so we talk about the outdoor kitchens and jacuzzi area
Junior [46:50] so is all those footing needs to be dig and bury altogether
Stephen [46:56] no right now I remember I just use kind of like a survey
Stephen [47:02] and the way it’s sloped to design the outdoor kitchen and that could be you know poured in place concrete easily on the side once is all like
Stephen [47:12] basically it’s nothing major it’s just a concrete pad and cause you know it’s gonna drop down with a little jacuzzi thing
Stephen [47:21] so what I what I try to do in design is just once is all like trenched and frame ready to pour concrete
Stephen [47:30] it just pour concrete and it’ll just be like a concrete driveway area with short low walls and stuff and later on there’ll be trellis put up to cover the outdoor kitchen that’s it
Stephen [47:42] so it’ll be like a nice clean modern gazebo I think you guys had the rendering of it before and you know I could clean it up for you guys once we get closer to that
Stephen [47:54] and so that could be done later right now is just keep it as clean and simple so when Michael comes up with okay yeah
Stephen [48:01] I’m just dealing with what’s on the drawing you guys didn’t do any more extra work when I stop it then call me back when I’m ready to inspect the footing
Stephen [48:12] and so that’s when Michelle just does what she need to do and keep it open and he’ll come back and inspect the footing and the rebar
Stephen [48:22] and here’s a note prior to any foundation inspection
Stephen [48:31] you know basically they have to trench it to so the soil engineer
Stephen [48:38] he’ll come and go okay yeah that looks you know deep enough for them to come and inspect
Stephen [48:43] so these are all little notes for like Michelle to coordinate with the civil engineer
Stephen [48:52] so there’s actually not too much just make sure the pre-inspection is you know clean and simple
Stephen [48:59] Michael will come up and go okay yeah that’s good
Stephen [49:02] and he’ll have a set of drawings to refer off of it too
Junior [49:09] She said that she’s gonna have to remove the outdoor bathroom that we had built
Stephen [49:15] yeah so right not remove but
Stephen [49:19] this is what we had to do on the architectural
Stephen [49:23] so it didn’t trigger anything right here
Stephen [49:29] uh right here
Stephen [49:38] where is that
Stephen [49:39] street house
Stephen [49:56] right here
Stephen [50:04] okay let me go
Stephen [50:08] where is it
Stephen [50:19] where is this area huh
Stephen [50:23] let me go double check with the
Stephen [50:27] our arci drawing because
Stephen [50:31] yeah the outdoor area we can’t he doesn’t want like a bathroom
Stephen [50:36] so we won’t we won’t
Stephen [50:39] we won’t like frame that area as a bathroom we could do that afterwards because the bottom is all exposed
Stephen [50:46] so it’s easy to do that afterwards
Stephen [50:49] cause I remember doing the architectural they said hey if you’re gonna do that bathroom we’re gonna have to redo your whole house as a whole like a house addition
Junior [51:00] It’s a septic tank issue I think
Stephen [51:03] yeah and it’s gonna count into the house
Junior [51:05] so we don’t wanna do anything that touches the septic tank
Stephen [51:10] yes because it triggers an extra septic tank review and that’s gonna go to the health department
Junior [51:17] is the
Junior [51:18] the
Junior [51:18] pond or is the jacuzzi tub outdoor jacuzzi tub is that gonna trigger a septic tank issue
Stephen [51:24] no septic tank is mainly accepting sewage
Junior [51:29] I see yeah but not for pool or spa water
Stephen [51:32] no those are okay those get recycled and those actually just get pumped to the side but they septic tank is gonna limit you on extra toilets and stuff
Junior [51:45] yeah
Stephen [51:47] cause Margaret’s house have that issue and we have to go through health department drawings and you know like an extra I think two or three thousand dollar fee and they just come and check your septic tank and if it’s not big enough you have to redo a new septic tank
Stephen [52:05] so that’s why any extra toilet in septic tank area triggers a lot of stuff
Stephen [52:11] yeah so let’s let’s avoid all that
Stephen [52:14] yeah so let’s avoid the toilets and stuff
Stephen [52:17] because to do a toilet there is really easy because you just run underneath because it’s just exposed framing
Stephen [52:26] there’s the lower deck on the bottom you know how we’re doing if we’re doing pressure treated it’s all open open web so it’s easy to do the plumbing there
Stephen [52:40] so that’s why we kept it pretty clean and simple
Junior [52:52] originally were doing two bathrooms out there
Junior [52:55] one is kind of like a full bath connected to the house are we still doing that one
Stephen [53:02] yeah that’s all in the drawing and that’s already framed into the main structure so we’re not moving that we’re just keeping it simple all the inside simple walls we’ll just keep it open and I remember we just called those out as existing outdoor storage spaces
Stephen [53:23] yeah because once any of those gets
Stephen [53:26] enclosed and triggered it becomes your house remodel
Stephen [53:36] at least the infrastructure I think the lines already there so you know Michelle could cover it with stucco and then just go back and tap into those lines later
Stephen [53:47] so those are the things I remember we opt out of doing for this plan check
Stephen [53:52] because uh fazikas was going to drag this into a house remodel instead of a deck remodel
Junior [54:00] yeah and then we’re having like
Junior [54:03] second thought about putting another bathtub out there if we’re gonna build the outdoor
Junior [54:09] yeah because I don’t think we need another one day if we’re gonna build that pool
Stephen [54:13] well I remember drawing it it was it was a it’s a very voyeuristic bathroom because you could open it all up and you’re just taking a bath outside
Stephen [54:26] you know so that that plan is still there we still have it in our backup archive
Stephen [54:33] so as soon as the main thing is we just want the structural deck to get done and the rest is easy because it’s all you know remodel on the outside
Stephen [54:43] and that’s already in the original agreement you guys have with Michelle they’re just postponing that until the main structural main like we kept this
Stephen [54:54] uh this drawing with the city and structural engineer to be as simple as possible so we could just pass this deck the rest you could do
Stephen [55:03] kind of like the rest you could do like a outdoor kitchen or you know
Junior [55:07] so my feeling is that we just need to final the permit first before we do anything else
Stephen [55:12] and that’s why this permit we kept it so simple and fazikas still you know made all these structural requests to like drag it out this long
Stephen [55:24] and that’s why I remember back then Dave and I like hey let’s just you know take a step back and let’s not call out
Stephen [55:32] cause fazika will take this house into a full house remodel addition and it’s gonna count into your septic tank and lower area ratio it gets really more complicated
Stephen [55:44] so we just like okay let’s just get the deck done because all the lines already
Stephen [55:49] I mean Michelle and Nelson already ran the lines there you guys could just reconnect
Stephen [55:54] and that’s why I remember Michael’s of how come there’s a sub panel that runs all the way from this side to this side
Stephen [56:00] because everything is already prepared but we just say oh you know just in case you know for lighting and stuff
Stephen [56:08] so that’s also part of the walkthrough we’re gonna do with Michael
Stephen [56:12] to hey you already saw this nothing has changed and you know the
Stephen [56:17] I think that time it was pre you guys upgrade the panel right the power panel
Junior [56:25] what do you mean what about the power panel
Stephen [56:27] that was pre you guys upgrade the main panel
Junior [56:32] you mean when he came to inspect
Junior [56:36] I think he came last year again
Stephen [56:39] to inspect the main panel when you guys did the final upgrade remember you switch it to I think 400
Junior [56:46] no he so he actually dropped by while it was just me here and I showed him around and so we walked through and he already knew that we weren’t doing anything and we haven’t done any work so
Junior [57:02] ok
Junior [57:03] so he should be good because he was here like a year ago maybe
Stephen [57:09] then maybe he doesn’t even need a full pre-inspection just give him call hey we’re ready the premise ready
Junior [57:16] it’s very possible because he showed up here without you guys
Stephen [57:20] ok then then Michelle could just make that call and if he said oh ok just call me when your footing is ready and that’s all she needs to do
Junior [57:29] and then he’ll come look at the footings right
Stephen [57:32] yeah and then if he’s ok with the footing then it just keeps moving and we just follow this permitted drawing to get the deck done and all the additional thing is what you and Michelle already originally agree
Stephen [57:46] so that doesn’t have to be rehash because part of the contract was to add that outdoor bathroom and outdoor toilet and all that stuff that’s already in the original drawing
Stephen [58:00] so get this deck done so Michael is out of the way
Junior [58:03] hey sorry you guys keep talking I’m gonna see what this call is I’ll be right back
Stephen [58:07] ok so the outdoor once the outdoor deck is done and approved then you just add that add back in the bathroom the bathtub and shower
Stephen [58:19] so that will still get done but that’s not to this permit
Stephen [58:25] this permit is to literally get the city off your back
Stephen [58:29] to do
Stephen [58:30] ok back
Stephen [58:31] all that stuff later
Stephen [58:34] oh wow it’s coming down hard right now
Junior [58:37] oh yeah it was pretty hard here so now it’s over there for you
Junior [58:41] yeah so that we’ve got a ton of stuff coming down
Stephen [58:46] well hey stay away from the window cause I think thunder and lightning is gonna hit your way cause we just had that
Junior [58:52] It’s snowing I see ice
Junior [58:56] wow
Junior [58:57] I see hail
Junior [59:00] I see tiny specks of hail