Kanola Deck Kickoff Pre-Meeting #2 — Meeting Record (2026-10-22)

Meeting record — recorded via MeetNotes (local AI notetaker), Teams, 2026-10-22, duration 63 min, 674 utterances. Full audio replay available on the household LAN archive.

Summary

Stephen reviews structural drawings for a deck project, emphasizing the need to tie caissons with grade beams and install shear walls to meet current codes. He advises addressing drainage and trenching immediately to prevent soil ponding and foundation compromise. Michelle should coordinate drainage work and obtain multiple concrete bids before the pre-inspection. The plan avoids triggering septic or full remodel reviews by keeping the outdoor bathroom unframed. Stephen will attend the pre-inspection if physically able, otherwise Michelle will coordinate with inspector Michael. The strategy is to complete structural elements first, then add outdoor amenities later.

Topics: Structural engineering · Drainage solutions · Permitting strategy · Cost optimization · Inspection preparation

Decisions

  • Prioritize drainage and trenching before structural concrete work.
  • Use V-channels for drainage to prevent soil erosion near the house.
  • Pressure treat first-floor joists and stucco big beams instead of full replacement.
  • Keep outdoor bathroom unframed to avoid septic and full remodel triggers.
  • Obtain multiple concrete bids to reduce costs.
  • Bury future pool footings to save on concrete truck costs, as inspectors only check open trenches.

Action items

TaskOwnerDue
Coordinate drainage and trenching work with MichelleJunior—
Obtain multiple concrete bids for the projectMichelle—
Schedule pre-inspection with MichaelMichelle—
Prepare structural drawings for subsStephen—

Talk time

SpeakerSecondsUtterances
Junior830173
Stephen2671498
unknown43

Full transcript

Health/medical passages redacted per household privacy policy.

Stephen [00:36] The stairway and these corners they went four feet deep for you

Stephen [00:41] They hit rock right

Stephen [00:43] Yeah cause they went like really deep

Stephen [00:45] That time because we didn’t do it without any other structural drawing

Stephen [00:49] They were just going hey let’s just

Junior [00:51] It’s better safer than sorry right just go

Stephen [00:53] Yeah so they went all out for you guys at that time

Stephen [00:57] It doesn’t cost that much more you know just another foot deep and

Stephen [01:01] a little bit extra concrete but

Stephen [01:03] you see

Stephen [01:04] Throughout this current calculation it’s only thirty six actually they had it at twenty four

Stephen [01:10] but with the new discussion Mr. Ni up did another foot

Stephen [01:18] and I guess that’s what also pushed it over you know for that

Stephen [01:23] yep

Stephen [01:24] So okay just to give a heads up you see the mouse this is the area that’s ponding right

Junior [01:30] yeah

Stephen [01:31] Okay and so what I would suggest is just create a nice channel here

Stephen [01:37] to direct most of this water from up here

Stephen [01:40] so it doesn’t go underneath this ramp and you know by this stairway

Stephen [01:45] like we don’t want any ponding here that’s just gonna compromise the soil for the house and

Stephen [01:52] but now this footing is gonna be all tied together kind of like your house

Stephen [01:57] you see these dotted lines

Stephen [02:00] those are actually footing for the house

Stephen [02:05] the dotted lines

Stephen [02:06] yeah you see this dotted line for the house to like follow

Junior [02:08] that’s a structural for the house

Stephen [02:11] yeah footing yeah and usually when you do house footing

Stephen [02:17] you know how they instead of like a little corner here a little corner here like these like a deck

Stephen [02:23] they usually do like it’s all tied together like a grid

Stephen [02:29] so basically they want your deck to be like a house grid

Stephen [02:33] so it’s stronger

Junior [02:34] so the house grid is all tied together so it doesn’t shift right

Stephen [02:38] yes and

Stephen [02:39] because your caisson is just by itself you know it’s just standing by itself

Stephen [02:44] so if the soil here gets soft the soil gets hot

Stephen [02:47] this caisson might shift and it would compromise the deck

Stephen [02:51] and that’s why to make it with the current code they’re tying all this kind of like this

Stephen [02:58] like long footings you know

Stephen [03:00] and these footings are only no more than 24 deep

Stephen [03:04] now the main corners gotta be 36 no problem

Stephen [03:09] but these don’t have to be that deep

Stephen [03:11] these are only like you know like 12 inch

Stephen [03:16] so that’s why if you look at this drawing this is the gray beam like from the side

Stephen [03:21] it’s just just a bunch of concrete that’s running across to like tie these together

Stephen [03:28] and tie your caissons together that’s all

Junior [03:30] is is Michelle going to be the one reading these plans and does she need to be reminded of any of this or is she gonna know

Stephen [03:37] oh yeah she knows and actually the concrete guy

Stephen [03:41] now with you know originally there was no drawing so they were just going by your existing footing and adding

Stephen [03:47] that’s why they added like the four feet deep footing for the stairs

Stephen [03:51] like especially these two corner are the strongest

Stephen [03:54] so they they have these footing and then they’re using your existing caissons right

Stephen [03:59] there was like eight of them

Stephen [04:01] and now with this drawing the concrete guy could just refer to this and go okay I know what to do

Stephen [04:07] you see all these like diagonal lines

Stephen [04:10] those aren’t being used for your house

Stephen [04:12] so it’s mainly these guys

Junior [04:14] the subs are gonna look at this and they’re gonna read it

Stephen [04:17] yeah they have to read this

Stephen [04:19] so Michelle’s reading it but the subs are reading it and so once they see oh you’re gonna do a gray beam

Stephen [04:26] so basically they’re trenching

Stephen [04:28] they’re gonna tie it all together tie it all together like that with all your caissons

Stephen [04:35] they’re following these diagrams

Stephen [04:37] there’s specifications of you know the rebar size

Stephen [04:39] type of concrete you know it’s 18 by 24 oh okay these are like deeper gray beams but it’s pretty strong

Stephen [04:49] cause this is only 36 so this gray beam is 24

Stephen [04:54] so these are like really strong gray beams these are actually like for big garage doors you know

Stephen [05:02] and then this drawing here is the shear wall detail

Stephen [05:06] so it’s gonna

Stephen [05:08] yeah so it’s four by four here

Stephen [05:10] and then over here you know these are the hardware

Stephen [05:14] and so it’s just gonna go from the ground all the way up to the bottom of the second deck

Stephen [05:20] here’s the second deck here’s the first deck

Stephen [05:22] so that’s gonna be a solid piece with a post inside

Stephen [05:27] so that’s where this is here’s the post and then here’s the footing and it’s gonna go from the bottom to the

Stephen [05:34] your second floor bottom of your second floor deck

Stephen [05:37] so on top of the second floor

Stephen [05:39] the shear wall is not gonna pop up

Stephen [05:43] so it’s only blocking your ground floor view like four feet wide

Stephen [05:48] cause it’s two feet this way two feet this way you know what I mean

Junior [05:58] um I don’t completely understand what you just said but I hope that Michelle does so

Stephen [06:04] oh yeah she does okay just look at this drawing here

Stephen [06:08] okay the dark one

Stephen [06:11] yeah the dark one uh huh

Stephen [06:12] okay follow my mouse here’s the ground floor deck

Stephen [06:16] here’s the second floor deck right

Stephen [06:19] and here’s the caisson and here’s the post okay

Stephen [06:23] they’re basically the way you and I did the layout

Stephen [06:27] like here’s the caisson like number five

Stephen [06:30] they’re basically doing this footing here and you see this little box here

Stephen [06:36] that’s your shear wall

Stephen [06:37] so he limited it to only four feet four feet wide

Stephen [06:42] so it’s from where you have a caisson post two feet over and two feet over

Stephen [06:47] and so it’s gonna look like this

Stephen [06:50] so from the first floor deck second floor deck it’s gonna go from where the dirt is

Stephen [06:56] all the way up two feet over and two feet over

Junior [07:00] so what is the t at the bottom like

Junior [07:03] like right above shear wall detail it looks like a bunch of wood stacked planks what is that

Junior [07:10] uh which one

Junior [07:10] if you go down a little bit more down more move your mouse down a little bit

Junior [07:15] uh your mouse disappeared

Junior [07:17] right above shear wall detail

Junior [07:19] it looks like there’s a bunch of boards that are stacked what is that

Junior [07:24] yeah your mouse is on that

Stephen [07:26] yeah no that’s

Stephen [07:28] oh this is a section from the top view this is the side view

Stephen [07:33] oh the top view okay

Stephen [07:35] yeah yeah

Junior [07:35] I was like what is that

Junior [07:37] okay that’s how it looks like from the top got it

Stephen [07:39] okay and so this view is this

Junior [07:45] yeah that’s the top view okay

Stephen [07:47] and is the uh is that concrete

Stephen [07:50] you know that’s just for the engineer to read

Junior [07:54] is the length of that concrete where the specs the black specs

Junior [07:59] you mean this

Stephen [08:00] yeah yeah that that’s the concrete

Junior [08:03] so they need to open that up and make that wide concrete there

Stephen [08:07] yeah and that concrete’s gonna go 24 deep 18 wide

Junior [08:14] okay so it’s gonna be a huge block

Stephen [08:16] yeah

Stephen [08:17] and so that’s gonna be your main structural frame that’s holding up your house from earthquake

unknown [08:23] okay

Stephen [08:24] kind of like uh

Stephen [08:26] it’s literally like a footing you know when you when your leg goes down your foot kind of spread wide

Stephen [08:31] that’s why it’s called a footing

Stephen [08:33] it’s your foot that’s holding up your legs

Junior [08:36] it’s a it’s a lateral foot

Stephen [08:38] yeah and and you need lateral shear because just imagine if you put a bunch of sticks and a platform

Stephen [08:45] if if a earthquake

Stephen [08:47] earthquake doesn’t move up and down it moves sideways too

Stephen [08:51] and so if you have a bunch of stick without any solid wall it gets really weak

Stephen [08:56] so that’s the introduction of shear walls it it makes solid walls that so when you move sideways

Stephen [09:03] your top platform doesn’t shear off

Stephen [09:06] it doesn’t slide off that’s all

Junior [09:08] perfect

Junior [09:12] oh honey you’re still muted by the way did you have any questions or comments

Junior [09:19] no I’m listening

Junior [09:20] she is the note taker

Junior [09:24] I’ve got a note taker too so we’ve got like three note takers here

Junior [09:32] well I gotta take it in like trying to remember what we talk about as Steven is explaining

Junior [09:39] no I mean

Stephen [09:41] ideally I’m gonna be there in person to walk you guys cuz you know you guys are more visual too so

Stephen [09:49] whatever we’re gonna explain later in person and so I would this is my proposal I think by the time they do the first pre-inspection

Stephen [10:00] I would like to be there or to walk through with Michael you know the guy that stopped the job

Stephen [10:06] and at the same time walk with you guys and to explain what we just talked about in person so you kinda get the feel of it

Junior [10:15] are you are you okay I mean

Stephen [10:18] I can’t I just can’t climb too many stairs or you know I won’t be able to go down your hill and come back up

Junior [10:24] oh this is the perfect house for you then you can’t climb stairs

Stephen [10:27] [health detail redacted per household privacy policy]

Stephen [10:36] so far my rehab is just I’m walking on a flat treadmill you know I’m not even running yet so

Stephen [10:47] I still gotta it still take me some time to get there

Junior [10:52] Michelle mentioned that we should wait till after the raining season before we start

Stephen [10:59] that might be too long but actually all this

Stephen [11:03] cuz right now you know we can only forecast two weeks out

Stephen [11:07] and it just seems like there’s one rainy day a week so far right next week I think there’s another one

Stephen [11:14] but after today the rain’s over

Stephen [11:16] yeah definitely if you’re gonna wait till end of rainy season that’ll be next year

Junior [11:22] yeah that’s what I was thinking too usually it could go up to like February

Stephen [11:27] yeah but at least some of the stuff that could get done pre-inspection you know prep really like the rest of the you know stuff that

Stephen [11:39] the addendum stuff and the stuff that they haven’t done

Stephen [11:42] you guys could work out all those numbers ahead of time

Stephen [11:45] so things will be a lot more smoother instead of any extra

Stephen [11:50] and that might actually get her to get extra bid on the subs

Stephen [11:57] instead of just she just gets one bid and that was it you know

Junior [12:04] so we should give her time to prepare

Stephen [12:06] yeah because I think if you give her time to you know get proper bidding you know there’s

Stephen [12:12] I already know there’s at least three concrete guys you know and before even the guy that she used before

Stephen [12:18] those guys are very affordable because they you know they dig they dig four feet deep no problem without any drawings

Stephen [12:26] but if she could get you know three concrete guys and have you guys looked at it

Stephen [12:30] you guys could choose hey this one is you know the price difference is at least actually five grand

Stephen [12:37] you’re still saving five grand right

Stephen [12:40] so the more the more sub that she can get for you guys the better

Stephen [12:45] so that would take some time and if it does stretch out

Stephen [12:48] past the rainy season that’s ideal

Stephen [12:50] cause they’re gonna definitely be digging

Stephen [12:53] but also I would say before that or even during this rainy season it’s a good test to work out the drainage trench right here

Junior [13:03] are you looking at the drawing in the mouse

Junior [13:06] I see your drawing and I’m looking at the mouse yeah

Junior [13:09] so the one with the side of the red

Stephen [13:10] yeah at least this area is definitely you guys have to address it before this thing gets ponded

Stephen [13:15] because once they start digging these

Stephen [13:17] that’s extra pond that they’re gonna have to take care of

Junior [13:21] so would you say if we had to phase this out would phase one be drainage or phase zero

Stephen [13:28] I would say drainage because also once they start trenching you’re gonna have dirt you could fill this ladder instead of

Stephen [13:40] right now this is a depot right from what I remember

Stephen [13:45] you could compact this area the the ponding area

Junior [13:50] yeah it still has concrete

Stephen [13:52] yeah so if it does have concrete if we already worked out the drainage issue from water from up here

Stephen [14:01] before it enters this side you want it to just you know stay on the outside of the house

Stephen [14:08] because the main issue is you need all this water to go this way instead of going following your building into

Junior [14:15] step one we’re gonna do drainage right

Stephen [14:19] yeah and I think this rainy season

Stephen [14:23] yeah rainy season would be very helpful to also attack this problem

Stephen [14:27] so you’ll know exactly where it’s for the drainage

Stephen [14:30] and a lot of that drainage could you could take care of with like landscapers and stuff like that you know

Stephen [14:36] or even just a little bobcat

Stephen [14:39] and remember this area the gazebo is gone

Stephen [14:42] so a lot of this could be trench

Stephen [14:45] I don’t

Stephen [14:45] you did see the

Stephen [14:47] quick rendering I did for you about this outdoor kitchen thing

Stephen [14:51] I made it where the there’s a stairway here

Stephen [14:55] in between the stairway and this or at least where the stairway is that could be your drainage trench because that’s your concrete

Junior [15:01] yeah I remember seeing that

Stephen [15:02] yeah and that’s that’s the area where the concrete could take the water away from this area and just follow the stairs

Junior [15:10] ok so phase two would be trenching

Stephen [15:15] yeah ideally trench it properly so

Stephen [15:18] all the and if you get a civil engineer to do a drawing they’re gonna tell you to always trench it or or kind of grade your hill for all the water go away from your house then towards your house

Stephen [15:34] so they’re gonna do the same drawing either way so just grade this area so all the water goes that way

Junior [15:42] ok so phase one and phase so phase one is drainage and trenching really is the same thing

Junior [15:48] because that’s gonna help them do the footing and to do the graping

Stephen [15:53] cause once they do the graping they’re gonna dig that hole you know twenty four deep right to do the graping

Stephen [16:00] cause once they do that twenty four deep you don’t want any like raining season to fill it up all the time

Junior [16:05] can can they trench when it’s raining or do they have to trench after the rain

Stephen [16:09] they could trench when it’s raining cause it’s softer and it’s easier

Stephen [16:13] but at the same time they’re gonna have to start digging mud out and

Stephen [16:17] you know you don’t want to over trench it

Stephen [16:19] well sometimes over trench it is ok but you want to wait till it’s dry and compact before you pour the concrete

Junior [16:27] ok

Junior [16:27] or else the concrete is

Stephen [16:29] yeah

Junior [16:29] dry before concrete but wet trenching is ok got it

Stephen [16:33] yeah cause you know the deeper they trench the better cause you’re gonna get more deeper concrete that’s all

Stephen [16:40] ok and then so

Stephen [16:42] from the drawing call out it’s a twenty four inch deep

Stephen [16:46] so you’re getting a really good size grade beam

Junior [16:51] you’re getting the grade beam of like a typical house like a two story house

Junior [16:56] do we need the permits for drainage and trenching or that’s all just yard work

Stephen [17:01] no no no that usually go through the

Stephen [17:06] cause we kinda did with the plan check already

Stephen [17:11] cause during plan checking they did ask about some drainage issues and I just guided them

Stephen [17:15] oh that’ll all be taken care of on the outside

Stephen [17:19] ok and

Stephen [17:20] that’s why we passed it without having to

Stephen [17:23] or else they’re gonna request like a civil engineer to do a drainage drawing and stuff like that

Junior [17:30] so then after trenching when it’s dry they’ll do the concrete footings

Stephen [17:35] yeah and they just you know put the rebar in and then pour the concrete

Stephen [17:39] and once it’s dry they just do everything on top

Junior [17:44] and that’ll

Junior [17:45] so then after the concrete is done they’ll do the shear walls

Stephen [17:49] yeah the shear wall goes on top of it

Stephen [17:52] so once they pour that concrete there’ll be like rebar sticking out and bolts

Stephen [17:57] and the shear wall just get bolted on top of that and then comes straight up

Junior [18:02] and then that should be it for structural right like that

Stephen [18:05] yeah that’s that’s part of your structural

Stephen [18:08] and that’ll be part of the structural inspection

Stephen [18:10] besides there’s only four here

Stephen [18:12] I remember he talked about five but

Stephen [18:14] he made four of them work so that’s even better

Junior [18:18] ok what do we do about the pressure treated can we pressure treat the wood that’s already there or do we need to replace everything

Stephen [18:25] no well that’s the thing that’s that’s something that I want to talk to you about

Stephen [18:30] a typical deck work is the engineer never went out there

Stephen [18:35] so they’re just thinking hey you’re doing a deck right

Stephen [18:39] but on the ground floor on the first floor let’s just say first floor second floor right

Stephen [18:45] first floor is open to the ground it looks like a typical deck so I understand that area if they want a pressure treat

Stephen [18:53] it’s understandable because the wood is exposed to the elements right it’s exposed to the dirt exposed to moisture

Stephen [19:01] but on the second floor deck you guys already did the desert creek it’s completely sealed on top

Stephen [19:08] the only safe way to do it is also close up on the bottom kind of like a house

Stephen [19:13] cause you know when you when you seal it

Stephen [19:15] you protect it

Stephen [19:16] yeah then it’s completely protected then typically that way you don’t need pressure treated cause it’s actually a structural basically is like a house roof deck you know

Stephen [19:29] because it’s not

Junior [19:30] is the pressure treated wood in the plan that is a requirement and an inspection item

Stephen [19:36] no it’s in the plan from what um michelle have mentioned

Stephen [19:42] it’s uh

Stephen [19:46] oh

Stephen [19:46] she did mention that they call out for pressure treated on the ground on the first floor on this floor okay

Junior [19:58] and how much of our current wood do we have to exchange out or can we treat it

Stephen [20:04] if it’s first floor I think it was like 900 square feet

Stephen [20:08] but we’re not covering whole 900 square feet because these are

Stephen [20:12] they got their 16 on center so every sixteen inches there’s one stick

Stephen [20:18] so I can’t calculate that right now but that’s not a lot of sticks okay

Junior [20:25] this floor I understand

Junior [20:25] so we’re just are we just talking about the joists

Stephen [20:28] yes

Junior [20:30] what about the big beams the big beams should all be pressure treated already right

Stephen [20:35] uh the big beams no the big beam is structural so what you want to do is

Stephen [20:41] I think there are chemical to treat it but the big beams

Stephen [20:44] once you close it or seal it or you know you stucco it or waterproof it

Stephen [20:49] then you don’t have to most of the

Stephen [20:52] yeah most people don’t make big beams as pressure treated

Stephen [20:55] pressure treated are usually two by four to two by whatever four

Junior [20:59] so we basically just stucco the big beams and then use the pressure treated joints

Stephen [21:04] yes yes yes you just these little joists here on the bottom of this deck

Stephen [21:10] because they’re gonna be exposed to the element

Stephen [21:12] these we already have waterproofing on top

Stephen [21:15] and on the bottom if we close it off

Stephen [21:18] the moisture never get to it so it doesn’t rot that’s all

Stephen [21:22] got it

Stephen [21:23] cause you don’t want the dry rot rotting that has happened when we first showed up at the house

Stephen [21:27] all these were dry rotted

Stephen [21:29] and unfortunately remember some of these joists they were actually redwood

Stephen [21:36] and redwood it’s kinda like pressure treated

Stephen [21:41] but like I said even pressure treated in the long term it’ll still rot because it’s wood

Stephen [21:48] so ideally is to seal off so when you seal off it’s just like a regular house like I said

Stephen [21:56] so this is one thing if we seal this off

Stephen [21:59] it’s a lot cheaper than replacing all this and replacing the whole new deck you know what I mean

Junior [22:04] yeah so we’re gonna pressure treat the about nine hundred square feet of joists on the first floor

Junior [22:11] and then we’re gonna stucco the big beams

Stephen [22:13] yeah and this is the point where

Stephen [22:18] we could have option a if you want to do it this way option b is to replace the whole thing option c you know

Stephen [22:25] and then at the same time during the pre-inspection we also mention it to Michael and said hey

Stephen [22:33] they did call out for some pressure treated

Stephen [22:35] if we’re gonna stucco this and that’s why you know at that time they were asking what kind of stucco and what and Michelle did mention

Stephen [22:43] we were holding back on some stucco because of cost

Stephen [22:47] and so that you guys could calculate out hey what’s the pros and cons of it or

Stephen [22:52] if you guys just want this whole thing to be exposed wood then you know use pressure treated

Stephen [22:59] but if you do that the whole desert creep’s gotta come up and go back again and that might not be worth it

Junior [23:06] yeah so it doesn’t sound like that’s a good option

Stephen [23:09] yeah and there is

Stephen [23:12] hey pressure treating is actually they put this chemical and they bake it in the steamer

Stephen [23:19] so that’s why a lot of people can’t pressure treat afterwards they could only seal the wood you know

Stephen [23:28] and so sealing the wood is usually the best solution but down here since this is all open deck to the element

Stephen [23:35] this area might be need to be pressure treated this could just be sealed off and then you have a solid deck that’s all

Junior [23:45] ok so after we stucco the big beams and have pressure treated joists then what

Stephen [23:50] yeah and that’s it and that stucco is gonna go over the shear wall too and then the rest just follow the drawing like the way we intended and then we’re done

Junior [24:01] so this is all structural this is drainage trenching concrete footings joists and big beams this is all structural

Stephen [24:10] yeah remember the past two years the fight is always structural

Stephen [24:13] yeah so this is the whole fight right here

Stephen [24:15] yeah the architecture hasn’t changed at all it’s still the same

Stephen [24:19] so the fight back and forth with Ne and Fazeekas was always about the structural change you know or the structural extra requirement that they’re asking for

Stephen [24:32] and Mr. Ne you know follow up blindly is hey we’re just replacing damaged wood and you know refurbishing

Stephen [24:41] we’re not remodeling anything because there was no record remember the deck was different

Stephen [24:47] but luckily we build it to this point where I just drew exactly what was there

Stephen [24:52] and so remember it kinda like goes in and out and the stair was kinda weird

Junior [24:57] yeah

Stephen [24:58] yeah luckily we just drew it like this so they’re assuming this is current

Stephen [25:02] and so architecture hasn’t changed

Stephen [25:05] it was just structural requirement that they kept pushing to the current code that’s tough

Stephen [25:12] so these are the only three things that’s gonna be addendum to your original cost

Stephen [25:21] and

Stephen [25:22] which is the shear wall the gray beam and the pressure treated wood on this deck and the rest we seal like it was originally intended

Junior [25:37] cool and then the rest of it we just follow the plan

Stephen [25:41] yeah it’s yeah exactly and so you know the handrail and everything is still the same nothing has changed and so we just kinda follow all that

Stephen [25:55] yeah I don’t know if you remember the architectural plan it’s still the same the stairs hasn’t changed and all the details of the railing is still the same

Stephen [26:06] you know they had Dave and I add this little let me zoom in for you

Stephen [26:14] you know the only change that Dave and I made was this

Stephen [26:19] we need to make sure it’s four inch diameter clear

Junior [26:24] four inch diameter clear on what

Stephen [26:27] basically they don’t want anything

Stephen [26:30] bigger than four inch to be open

Stephen [26:32] so that’s why we have to draw this circle

Stephen [26:36] so you know where the handrail is you know that platform

Stephen [26:39] it’s gotta come down here so

Stephen [26:42] even this little triangle it can’t be bigger than four inch diameter

Stephen [26:46] oh they don’t want anything to fall off from the side

Stephen [26:50] yeah that’s the only thing they ask us to do because everything else was the same

Junior [26:53] was it like the they don’t want a baby to fall through there

Stephen [26:56] exactly

Stephen [26:57] yeah that’s that’s pretty much the building code

Stephen [27:00] okay got it

Stephen [27:02] and they were hey you know your stairs look great but you know is this four inch so we just drew that in for them

Stephen [27:09] and so that’s why

Stephen [27:09] oh honey you have any questions

unknown [27:11] yeah

Junior [27:14] honey you’re on mute

Junior [27:15] I know I don’t have any questions right now

Stephen [27:24] yeah okay let me get to this drawing

Stephen [27:27] yeah I know you guys reinforced this retaining wall right

Junior [27:33] yeah we got that big one in there

Stephen [27:34] yeah so what I’m saying is from here you see how you see the angle of the slope it’s pushing things this way

Stephen [27:47] right now we gotta trench something that goes away from the footing in the house and ponding here

Stephen [27:55] so let’s address this drainage first with a proper drainage here on the side

Stephen [28:02] whether you’re gonna build a outdoor kitchen with a stairway or not

Stephen [28:06] that the stairway could be a like a leading indicator to do this trench here

Junior [28:12] so the drainage should we follow your the kitchen plan for the drainage

Stephen [28:18] yeah that would be helpful because once you get that done the stairway will flow easily right there

Junior [28:26] okay so we just need to have Michelle quote out the drainage system and get that done first

Stephen [28:32] yeah and because remember we’re not doing the kitchen or anything

Stephen [28:36] until all this is done unless you want to pull the whole permit for the kitchen

Junior [28:40] no if you ask me I don’t want to pull any more permits

Stephen [28:44] I know but just follow that and it’ll take care of your drainage issue and so when they do the footing they wouldn’t have any moisture issues in the future

Junior [28:56] does that so the where does that drain end does that drain end like past the big wall

Stephen [29:03] ideally is you see there’s number eight

Stephen [29:06] at least the drain’s gotta wash out to here because once it finish out here somewhere

Stephen [29:13] it’ll just follow the slope it’ll just follow the hill and you know does its own thing

Stephen [29:18] okay so it doesn’t need to go too far out

Stephen [29:21] the natural slope will take all the moisture down

Stephen [29:25] you don’t want anything to pond by the house footing that’s all

Stephen [29:30] or else it just makes this area weaker for your house

Stephen [29:33] and at the end you’re just gonna

Stephen [29:35] use this deck to hold up the house

Stephen [29:37] but you know let’s try to keep all the moisture away from this area

Stephen [29:41] so this stays dry and pretty strong

Stephen [29:44] because this is a lot of pressure from here but you know it

Stephen [29:49] you do have footing around here and remember there’s a big negative space down here

Stephen [29:55] there’s a big big wall here

Stephen [29:58] so all these are your like retaining wall for the house

Stephen [30:03] but you don’t want any moisture to build up around the house you want to just let it flow away

Stephen [30:09] let it go past this wall so

Stephen [30:11] I remember when they did this wall there’s little drain holes

Stephen [30:16] but even at the side just have the moisture follow these down follow this hill down that’s it

Stephen [30:23] this side doesn’t have a lot of ponding issues right

Junior [30:28] on the left side there’s no ponding issues but we do have some separation of concrete at the edge of

Junior [30:33] the garage on the bottom left corner

Stephen [30:36] here right I remember

Stephen [30:38] ok yeah because this whole thing is all tied together

Stephen [30:43] so it’s a lot of weight going this direction you know what I mean

Stephen [30:48] because this is always kind of soft

Stephen [30:50] but now if we take care of this area

Stephen [30:53] so this thing doesn’t like blow away that way

Stephen [30:56] because I think things were separating around here

Junior [31:02] ok so I think Michelle when Michelle came a couple days ago

Junior [31:06] she was talking about doing some other stuff

Junior [31:10] how do you feel about doing things that aren’t related to the permit right now

Stephen [31:16] I think it’s okay as long as we’re doing

Stephen [31:19] because a lot of this will be just landscaping

Stephen [31:23] you know landscape and you know drainage control

Stephen [31:26] that homeowner could do easily without any permit

Stephen [31:30] what we want to do is when the pre-inspection come in

Stephen [31:35] the inspector is only going to look at all the deck issues

Stephen [31:39] we’re not raising all those other issues

Stephen [31:41] so for example if this could be taken care of at the same time with this

Stephen [31:45] that’ll be great because we’re just doing drainage control on these both sides that’s all

Junior [31:54] so what do you think the drainage control needs to look like on the left side

Junior [31:59] like a

Stephen [31:59] on the left side

Stephen [32:01] well mainly let’s work from your bridge

Stephen [32:03] when your bridge come in all the sheet flow goes here

Stephen [32:06] goes through this trench right in front of your house right in front of the garage

Stephen [32:11] and that trench goes there

Stephen [32:13] but it’s kind of get lost in translation because this is built up right

Stephen [32:20] and so you don’t know how much moisture or

Stephen [32:23] we don’t know where it goes

Stephen [32:25] yeah you don’t know where the dirt underneath this is doing

Stephen [32:29] we know there’s a footing here because here’s your house footing

Stephen [32:33] we know there’s a footing here right here’s your garage

unknown [32:39] right

Junior [32:39] yeah

Stephen [32:42] okay so this is a footing that goes all the way down to the back storage room right I think you can see here or something

Stephen [32:50] so that’s all pretty strong

Stephen [32:52] right now it’s this little footbridge the side yard footbridge

Stephen [32:57] that thing where the garage door comes out

Stephen [33:00] that little footbridge underneath and with this drainage

Stephen [33:04] you know how you have a trench drain before you drive into the garage

Stephen [33:08] it’s capturing all the water shooting it to this side

Stephen [33:12] it needs to shoot way beyond this thing because if it’s shooting into somewhere over here

Stephen [33:17] it’s washing out all this dirt underneath and that’s why there is this separation is this little piece of concrete which is your walk to your side

Stephen [33:27] it’s getting pretty weak and you know if there’s no dirt underneath it’s like a pothole eventually it’ll collapse

Junior [33:34] there’s the septic tank right there

Stephen [33:37] yeah the septic tank is on this side right about here

Stephen [33:40] yeah and so is it right up to it

Junior [33:43] do we need to start with do we need to dig out that whole area and and trench around it or

Stephen [33:49] actually what I did with Margaret’s house is same thing she has this corner also

Stephen [33:56] so what we do is we did a little v trench

Stephen [33:59] it’s kind of like a v

Stephen [34:01] so if water comes out it just trench

Stephen [34:04] kind of like a little

Stephen [34:07] little how do you call this

Stephen [34:09] the channel

Stephen [34:11] yeah a little v channel and it just it goes here and it takes it to here versus it dropping off here because once it drops off here

Stephen [34:21] water is going to come in here and wash out this concrete

Junior [34:24] so really we could just do a very simple open and exposed v channel that just takes it down

Stephen [34:30] yes because that’s what we did at Margaret’s house

Junior [34:32] ok so we’ll do that at the same time with the drainage on the right side

Stephen [34:36] so if you have a v here and a v here right by the proposed design stairway that’s all you really need

Stephen [34:43] it’s kind of like in Taiwan you know they have a little they call it 水口啊

Stephen [34:49] yeah it’s just little little little trench drain that just going to take water away

Stephen [34:54] so you don’t want that water to go inside to the dirt

Stephen [34:58] because once it softened the dirt it takes forever to dry and it

Stephen [35:02] you know that’s how you know potholes are formed

Stephen [35:07] and right now your concrete here

Stephen [35:10] because things are probably being washed away a lot

Stephen [35:13] so your concrete is starting to give and starting to separate because it’s like a pothole underneath

Stephen [35:19] because this is solid but here’s a little retaining wall

Stephen [35:24] I remember it’s settling to separate

Stephen [35:27] so there’s definitely some moisture issue here that’s coming from this trench and

Stephen [35:34] where all this water coming in is hitting this corner is just trying to find a way to go down

Stephen [35:41] so you could just carry it straight down or carry it away from this outside wall before the septic tank

Stephen [35:48] that’ll be ideal so it just carries all the moisture away from this two

Stephen [35:54] away from your building side so none of it comes back into the house

Stephen [35:59] so

Junior [35:59] got it

Junior [36:05] ok thanks

Junior [36:06] we’ll make sure the note-taker is listening

Stephen [36:11] yeah note-taker that’s kind of cool

Stephen [36:15] are you using a lot of AI for this or you just programmed it yourself

Junior [36:21] yeah yeah so I the AI actually programmed it for me this is the first time we’ve actually used this

Junior [36:28] that’s kind of cool

Junior [36:29] I told the I’ll send you a copy of what it produces

Junior [36:34] so it’s

Junior [36:36] I think it just came out so yeah I’ll send you a copy of that

Stephen [36:39] what kind of AI are you using

Junior [36:42] so I bought a little machine that does things for me

Stephen [36:46] oh ok so it’s not like a AI program from the computer or something

Junior [36:51] well what I did was I copied otter and otter I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of otter but otter is very popular

Stephen [36:58] ok I only heard of um clod and gemini

Junior [37:04] oh yeah those are um

Junior [37:07] so clod and gemini are just chat bots

Stephen [37:10] oh they’re not like AI

Junior [37:12] yeah so well it’s chat bot connected to an AI

Junior [37:15] otter AI is actually the one that joins meetings

Junior [37:21] and when it joins meetings in fact you know what the summary is actually done I’m emailing it to you guys now

Junior [37:28] wow

Junior [37:28] dude you it’s a and this is the summary from our first meeting

Junior [37:33] so you guys can open it up and take a look

Junior [37:36] ok

Junior [37:37] um the email should be coming over right now and you should be able to see what it says so what basically what what I did was I told it to go to otter AI and take a note of all the basic features of the popular program called otter AI and then I told it to replicate it you know create

Junior [38:03] create something very similar to that so that we could I could have my own version of it and that’s what it produced so the email should be in your mailboxes now you guys can click on it it’s eleven pages long and it basically took notes of our forty four minute conversation or whatever it was and it highlighted you know some stuff and it has a full transcript and it also has

Stephen [38:32] you’re too professional man

Junior [38:37] well I’m this is the first trial run for it but this is in this way we’ll never in a perfect world you don’t have to repeat yourself right you only have to say it one time and then we can always go back and reference it and then it’s harder to be you know then we avoid the oh ok he said this she said that I said this

Stephen [39:04] dude that’s cool it’s so crazy there’s just gonna be so much data in the future

Junior [39:10] right and then so and something like this is it’s gonna reduce the oh uh michelle said this stephen said that right it’ll it’ll just kind of take all that away if we can get michelle to get in here too and

Junior [39:25] dude this’ll this’ll be perfect in a lawsuit

Junior [39:28] well yeah everything is just recorded right

Junior [39:32] but even more so for project management there’s no there’s no issues with right there’s there’s no ok look the screws should be this size or those screws that right everything’s clear

Junior [39:45] you wrote this program yourself that’s cool

Junior [39:47] no I didn’t I didn’t write it myself I copied the idea and I told AI to write its own version of it

Stephen [39:54] dude everybody’s gonna be a developer that’s so crazy well at least I’m almost dead

Stephen [40:04] no don’t say that

Junior [40:06] future sounds scary I’m so old school now

Junior [40:10] no the future is more clear because if we get this right you don’t have to spend half your life repeating things you’ve already said

Stephen [40:20] that is true you know I hate paperwork and look at look what you just generate my gosh

Junior [40:25] and yeah so that was just from the note takers sitting in the meeting and just listening to what we said and they just regurgitate now

Junior [40:32] it may not be a hundred percent

Stephen [40:36] yeah but that’s so cool look it’s it’s literally writing down what I said hello hello what does it work hello

Stephen [40:45] sound like a goof

Junior [40:48] yeah and so you’re gonna gain back half of your life because you only have to say it once

Stephen [40:55] ah that’s so cool alright oh

Stephen [41:00] hey by the way

Stephen [41:02] I’m looking for it I don’t know where I put it but I also bought this AI render program and back then I did some test render of the outdoor kitchen space with the AI I don’t know if I ever showed you

Junior [41:21] I know we have some very preliminary kind of overview like top down view

Stephen [41:27] oh no that’s yeah that’s just basic design in Sketchup

Junior [41:31] I literally use AI to render that on top of that

Junior [41:36] Ok wait wait before we get over there I know Phoenix wants some clarity on the scope

Junior [41:43] and so the main idea is before Michelle calls for an inspection and before she starts

Junior [41:51] we need to know what else we’re doing or we’re not doing

Junior [41:56] so that we don’t get all confused

Junior [41:59] I think Michelle wanted to bury a bunch of other footings right before the inspector came back so and I think those footings were about the pool area

Junior [42:11] so the future pool and kitchen area how many footings do we need there and do you think it’s a good idea to actually bury those footings and risk you know him identifying it

Stephen [42:27] uh

Stephen [42:29] it would be

Stephen [42:30] unless she buries it as deep as this area where you know you said there’s some concrete here that they pour to unless it kind of looks like that

Stephen [42:42] cause the future pool is like somewhere over here right so there if she’s gonna bury that

Stephen [42:49] I mean she can make a large plain and then just bury it you know that’s fine too but

Junior [42:57] But I mean would it really be worth doing beforehand I mean it

Junior [43:03] We’re just talking about a few footings I mean do we really have to squeeze that in here or can we just do it later like

Stephen [43:09] No because when they inspect they will only inspect what’s open and what’s like you know what they see on the drawing they’ll look at these they’ll inspect what’s open if she does it and bury it that’s fine too cause it’s just you know fresh dirt they’re not gonna they’re not gonna go hey what’s down here you know

Stephen [43:30] or they’re not gonna take a shovel and dig right

Stephen [43:32] no no they won’t do that they’ll only see what’s open you know like there’ll be a little open trench here and some rebar they’ll inspect it and then you know they could pour they will only look at what’s on the drawing and what Michelle open up for them to see if there’s some new footing here they’re not gonna go hey let’s dig in here

Stephen [43:57] So yeah it’s okay to bury because later on when this is all in it’s harder to take it all out and then we dig it and pour concrete because it is more affordable and cheaper to pour concrete all at once than bury it and just expose this for them to see cause they’re just inspecting the gray beam and these footing

Stephen [44:20] do you know what I mean

Junior [44:20] I see what she means cause if we have to call a concrete truck you only wanna do that once and you save like a thousand dollars right

Junior [44:27] but at the end of the day it’s only a thousand dollars

Stephen [44:31] yeah well it’s not really a thousand dollars like I said they will only inspect what Michelle open up for them to inspect

Junior [44:38] I see everything else is buried they’re not gonna dig it I got you

Junior [44:42] yeah no inspector will ever dig for stuff

Junior [44:45] So honey do you have any more questions on what we need before we ask Michelle to start working

Junior [44:54] So what is it that we need to do before the inspector comes in for the

Junior [44:59] pre-inspection

Stephen [45:01] I think right now now knowing what you guys just said it’s probably better for Michelle to come out to work out some of the drainage thing

Stephen [45:13] let’s get that at least pretty solid or at least trench it enough that once they once the concrete truck come and pour this they could pour the v-drain you know like a little trench here and here for you

Stephen [45:30] at least control it with dirt that the drainage is gonna get control before they start digging here and then there’s still some you know rain season and all that stuff

Stephen [45:43] so maybe if they’re definitely gonna like run into next year

Stephen [45:47] these next two months start having her trench and take care of all your drainage issues

Stephen [45:53] prep everything do all the proper bidding and get all the numbers with you guys sorted out

Stephen [45:59] and then start work properly you know that I think could be

Junior [46:04] so what is it that Michael will look at when he comes for the pre-inspection

Stephen [46:11] Well Michael is gonna come and just make sure we didn’t do any more work than when he stopped the work that’s basically pre-inspection

Stephen [46:22] you just wanna be you know make sure there’s no penalty or Michelle didn’t break any protocol that but she’s supposed to stop work

Stephen [46:31] but in terms of trenching and that’s all landscaping he’s not gonna say anything

Junior [46:37] yeah cause if landscaping doesn’t need a permit

Junior [46:43] okay and then so we talk about the outdoor kitchens and jacuzzi area

Junior [46:50] so is all those footing needs to be dig and bury altogether

Stephen [46:56] no right now I remember I just use kind of like a survey

Stephen [47:02] and the way it’s sloped to design the outdoor kitchen and that could be you know poured in place concrete easily on the side once is all like

Stephen [47:12] basically it’s nothing major it’s just a concrete pad and cause you know it’s gonna drop down with a little jacuzzi thing

Stephen [47:21] so what I what I try to do in design is just once is all like trenched and frame ready to pour concrete

Stephen [47:30] it just pour concrete and it’ll just be like a concrete driveway area with short low walls and stuff and later on there’ll be trellis put up to cover the outdoor kitchen that’s it

Stephen [47:42] so it’ll be like a nice clean modern gazebo I think you guys had the rendering of it before and you know I could clean it up for you guys once we get closer to that

Stephen [47:54] and so that could be done later right now is just keep it as clean and simple so when Michael comes up with okay yeah

Stephen [48:01] I’m just dealing with what’s on the drawing you guys didn’t do any more extra work when I stop it then call me back when I’m ready to inspect the footing

Stephen [48:12] and so that’s when Michelle just does what she need to do and keep it open and he’ll come back and inspect the footing and the rebar

Stephen [48:22] and here’s a note prior to any foundation inspection

Stephen [48:31] you know basically they have to trench it to so the soil engineer

Stephen [48:38] he’ll come and go okay yeah that looks you know deep enough for them to come and inspect

Stephen [48:43] so these are all little notes for like Michelle to coordinate with the civil engineer

Stephen [48:52] so there’s actually not too much just make sure the pre-inspection is you know clean and simple

Stephen [48:59] Michael will come up and go okay yeah that’s good

Stephen [49:02] and he’ll have a set of drawings to refer off of it too

Junior [49:09] She said that she’s gonna have to remove the outdoor bathroom that we had built

Stephen [49:15] yeah so right not remove but

Stephen [49:19] this is what we had to do on the architectural

Stephen [49:23] so it didn’t trigger anything right here

Stephen [49:29] uh right here

Stephen [49:38] where is that

Stephen [49:39] street house

Stephen [49:56] right here

Stephen [50:04] okay let me go

Stephen [50:08] where is it

Stephen [50:19] where is this area huh

Stephen [50:23] let me go double check with the

Stephen [50:27] our arci drawing because

Stephen [50:31] yeah the outdoor area we can’t he doesn’t want like a bathroom

Stephen [50:36] so we won’t we won’t

Stephen [50:39] we won’t like frame that area as a bathroom we could do that afterwards because the bottom is all exposed

Stephen [50:46] so it’s easy to do that afterwards

Stephen [50:49] cause I remember doing the architectural they said hey if you’re gonna do that bathroom we’re gonna have to redo your whole house as a whole like a house addition

Junior [51:00] It’s a septic tank issue I think

Stephen [51:03] yeah and it’s gonna count into the house

Junior [51:05] so we don’t wanna do anything that touches the septic tank

Stephen [51:10] yes because it triggers an extra septic tank review and that’s gonna go to the health department

Junior [51:17] is the

Junior [51:18] the

Junior [51:18] pond or is the jacuzzi tub outdoor jacuzzi tub is that gonna trigger a septic tank issue

Stephen [51:24] no septic tank is mainly accepting sewage

Junior [51:29] I see yeah but not for pool or spa water

Stephen [51:32] no those are okay those get recycled and those actually just get pumped to the side but they septic tank is gonna limit you on extra toilets and stuff

Junior [51:45] yeah

Stephen [51:47] cause Margaret’s house have that issue and we have to go through health department drawings and you know like an extra I think two or three thousand dollar fee and they just come and check your septic tank and if it’s not big enough you have to redo a new septic tank

Stephen [52:05] so that’s why any extra toilet in septic tank area triggers a lot of stuff

Stephen [52:11] yeah so let’s let’s avoid all that

Stephen [52:14] yeah so let’s avoid the toilets and stuff

Stephen [52:17] because to do a toilet there is really easy because you just run underneath because it’s just exposed framing

Stephen [52:26] there’s the lower deck on the bottom you know how we’re doing if we’re doing pressure treated it’s all open open web so it’s easy to do the plumbing there

Stephen [52:40] so that’s why we kept it pretty clean and simple

Junior [52:52] originally were doing two bathrooms out there

Junior [52:55] one is kind of like a full bath connected to the house are we still doing that one

Stephen [53:02] yeah that’s all in the drawing and that’s already framed into the main structure so we’re not moving that we’re just keeping it simple all the inside simple walls we’ll just keep it open and I remember we just called those out as existing outdoor storage spaces

Stephen [53:23] yeah because once any of those gets

Stephen [53:26] enclosed and triggered it becomes your house remodel

Stephen [53:36] at least the infrastructure I think the lines already there so you know Michelle could cover it with stucco and then just go back and tap into those lines later

Stephen [53:47] so those are the things I remember we opt out of doing for this plan check

Stephen [53:52] because uh fazikas was going to drag this into a house remodel instead of a deck remodel

Junior [54:00] yeah and then we’re having like

Junior [54:03] second thought about putting another bathtub out there if we’re gonna build the outdoor

Junior [54:09] yeah because I don’t think we need another one day if we’re gonna build that pool

Stephen [54:13] well I remember drawing it it was it was a it’s a very voyeuristic bathroom because you could open it all up and you’re just taking a bath outside

Stephen [54:26] you know so that that plan is still there we still have it in our backup archive

Stephen [54:33] so as soon as the main thing is we just want the structural deck to get done and the rest is easy because it’s all you know remodel on the outside

Stephen [54:43] and that’s already in the original agreement you guys have with Michelle they’re just postponing that until the main structural main like we kept this

Stephen [54:54] uh this drawing with the city and structural engineer to be as simple as possible so we could just pass this deck the rest you could do

Stephen [55:03] kind of like the rest you could do like a outdoor kitchen or you know

Junior [55:07] so my feeling is that we just need to final the permit first before we do anything else

Stephen [55:12] and that’s why this permit we kept it so simple and fazikas still you know made all these structural requests to like drag it out this long

Stephen [55:24] and that’s why I remember back then Dave and I like hey let’s just you know take a step back and let’s not call out

Stephen [55:32] cause fazika will take this house into a full house remodel addition and it’s gonna count into your septic tank and lower area ratio it gets really more complicated

Stephen [55:44] so we just like okay let’s just get the deck done because all the lines already

Stephen [55:49] I mean Michelle and Nelson already ran the lines there you guys could just reconnect

Stephen [55:54] and that’s why I remember Michael’s of how come there’s a sub panel that runs all the way from this side to this side

Stephen [56:00] because everything is already prepared but we just say oh you know just in case you know for lighting and stuff

Stephen [56:08] so that’s also part of the walkthrough we’re gonna do with Michael

Stephen [56:12] to hey you already saw this nothing has changed and you know the

Stephen [56:17] I think that time it was pre you guys upgrade the panel right the power panel

Junior [56:25] what do you mean what about the power panel

Stephen [56:27] that was pre you guys upgrade the main panel

Junior [56:32] you mean when he came to inspect

Junior [56:36] I think he came last year again

Stephen [56:39] to inspect the main panel when you guys did the final upgrade remember you switch it to I think 400

Junior [56:46] no he so he actually dropped by while it was just me here and I showed him around and so we walked through and he already knew that we weren’t doing anything and we haven’t done any work so

Junior [57:02] ok

Junior [57:03] so he should be good because he was here like a year ago maybe

Stephen [57:09] then maybe he doesn’t even need a full pre-inspection just give him call hey we’re ready the premise ready

Junior [57:16] it’s very possible because he showed up here without you guys

Stephen [57:20] ok then then Michelle could just make that call and if he said oh ok just call me when your footing is ready and that’s all she needs to do

Junior [57:29] and then he’ll come look at the footings right

Stephen [57:32] yeah and then if he’s ok with the footing then it just keeps moving and we just follow this permitted drawing to get the deck done and all the additional thing is what you and Michelle already originally agree

Stephen [57:46] so that doesn’t have to be rehash because part of the contract was to add that outdoor bathroom and outdoor toilet and all that stuff that’s already in the original drawing

Stephen [58:00] so get this deck done so Michael is out of the way

Junior [58:03] hey sorry you guys keep talking I’m gonna see what this call is I’ll be right back

Stephen [58:07] ok so the outdoor once the outdoor deck is done and approved then you just add that add back in the bathroom the bathtub and shower

Stephen [58:19] so that will still get done but that’s not to this permit

Stephen [58:25] this permit is to literally get the city off your back

Stephen [58:29] to do

Stephen [58:30] ok back

Stephen [58:31] all that stuff later

Stephen [58:34] oh wow it’s coming down hard right now

Junior [58:37] oh yeah it was pretty hard here so now it’s over there for you

Junior [58:41] yeah so that we’ve got a ton of stuff coming down

Stephen [58:46] well hey stay away from the window cause I think thunder and lightning is gonna hit your way cause we just had that

Junior [58:52] It’s snowing I see ice

Junior [58:56] wow

Junior [58:57] I see hail

Junior [59:00] I see tiny specks of hail